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kilmousk
post 23rd Apr 2017, 7:09 pm
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QUOTE(Annieskel @ 23rd Apr 2017, 7:55 pm) *

This lady doesn't know if the dog is an exempt dog or not, if he is exempt he can't be rehomed without the court's permission, whoever adopts him would have to take him through the courts for him to be signed over to them and there has to be a good reason like the present keeper too ill to care for him.

There are very few people that can assess these dogs, Dr. Kendal Shepherd, vet and animal behaviourist is very good and her assessment has got many dogs home, she is also experience in the courts which is essential, very few behaviourists can do this. The police assess the dogs with a tape measure, Kendal uses callipers which are more accurate. A a solicitor who has experience of the dog law is also essential as DEFRA have been refusing to add dogs to the exempt list and are more and more likely to cause trouble.

I work for BSL Victim Support UK who help and support these owners whose dogs have been seized to get them back home.


Not sure why you are quoting me - I am well aware of the law and process thank you.

Its become quite obvious from later postings that the story is confused and much more complicated that was initially suggested and even basic questions havent been answered. Hopefully the owner/keeper or whatever the people involved actually are getting advise and making sure the dog is legal and if its not are making steps to ensure it is legally allow to be kept or rehomed.
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post 24th Apr 2017, 7:41 am
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QUOTE(kilmousk @ 23rd Apr 2017, 8:09 pm) *

Not sure why you are quoting me - I am well aware of the law and process thank you.



QUOTE(kilmousk @ 22nd Apr 2017, 9:25 am) *

Unfortunately as you have commited to owning an exempted dog you cannot just rehome and you need to speak and liase directly with organisations just as Deed Not Breed directly. It wont be a cheap nor easy process and a home may never become available - its hard enough rehoming Bull Breeds in general but rehoming an exempted dog is going to be much harder. Getting a huge array of photographs will help as will getting a professional assessment done by a modern up to date with current science behaviourist and a detailed and full write up. Also ensuring all vet work is up to date and a full vet history available and getting as much training done including certification.


I have put in bold what I was referring to, I am 99.9% sure this dog is not type and this can be challenged and reversed, yes we have done it. I have let someone see the photos of him, this person has got a lot of dogs through they system and back home again and she thinks the same as me but like me, we haven't seen the dog and only going on the photos.

At one time is was easier to get a behaviourist to assess a dog but now it has to be someone who is a lot more experienced and who can stand up in court for the dog and owner, not everyone can do that. The assessor has to understand how the courts work and able to cope with them as well as the police. Even though the assessor can prove the dog is not 'type' as much as it can be proved, they still have to fight for the dog in many cases.

More owners are getting their dogs put on the exemption list these days, DEFRA don't like it and trying to make it as difficult as they can, with the stray dogs we have managed to get through the courts and found a good keeper for them, they are even going against the courts and refusing to put them on the exempt list, they insisted on one dog being operated on by their vet to make sure she had been spayed, they ignored the vet who did spay her even though he put it is writing that he spayed her and when.

I was shocked when I first joined the people fighting to get the dogs home by what was happening now, we are lead to believe it is a simple process to have our dogs put on the exempt list, it isn't, even dogs the police class as 'not type' seems to take about 6 weeks before the dogs are returned. Very few dogs have gone home in decent condition, most go home in poor condition, many have sores or a skin condition, one dog was returned home as 'not type' with his tail docked, his owner didn't know about it until he came out of the van. A dog was seized in January, the owner kept phoning the police for information and couldn't get anywhere with them. She was eventually told a few weeks ago that he had been send to a rescue and rehomed. She is now fighting to get her dog back, the police told her that it is impossible.

Many of these owners have bought a cute puppy thinking they are buying a Staffie or Staffie crossed with a Labrador, they are shocked when they are told they have a Pit Bull, these are family pets not fighting dogs. A 7 year old autistic girl had a dog and he really helped her, 7 police went into her home in full riot gear, she locked herself in the bathroom with the dog to try to stop them from taking him. He was returned 6 weeks later as 'not type', the damage that must have been done to this child will be horrendous.

I was in at the start when Deed Not Breed was started, it is so much worse now and the police really bully the owners to try and get them to sign the dog over so they can pts the dog, it is a lot cheaper for them to do that than if the owner fights to get there dog back. As long as the owner works very quickly even signing the dog over can be reversed if they have the right solicitor who knows how to stop it, yes we have done it.

I wasn't attacking you, I was trying to make things clearer.


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post 24th Apr 2017, 11:08 am
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QUOTE(Annieskel @ 23rd Apr 2017, 6:55 pm) *



This lady doesn't know if the dog is an exempt dog or not, if he is exempt he can't be rehomed without the court's permission, whoever adopts him would have to take him through the courts for him to be signed over to them and there has to be a good reason like the present keeper too ill to care for him.





From this post she does know he is an exempt dog

I feel this dog shouldn't have exempted dog status I can't understand with his looks how he has been deemed to have pit character, it must be pit because he doesn't fit with the other three types on the banned list. His temperament is excellent but Deed not Breed have told me that's why he's been exempted had his temperament be doubtful he'd have been destroyed there and then.


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post 24th Apr 2017, 12:45 pm
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Poor Shay was straying when Jan's Son and girlfriend took him home. They were told he'd been ill treated and he does have a scar on his leg. It's only after taking him home they found he had a tattoo, and didn't really know what that meant
Jan has him at her house now as her Son and his girlfriend have split up and neither can have him right now. Jan's Son is upset as he loves Shay

Shay is not aggressive in any way and unfortunately no one knows why he has been labelled

Jan, who I know from another forum (not dogs) is concerned about Shay's welfare and also about getting into trouble herself for having him

It's an unfortunate situation for all

I don't live near Jan but from pics Shay looks like Lab/Lurcher to me
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post 24th Apr 2017, 3:02 pm
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Dalesmum, until the exempt list has been checked, nobody knows if he is on it or not, he is talked about as an exempt dog and the police pick it up, they can seize the dog, I am not saying any more as I find it too upsetting.

His ears are not Pit ears, they are more like a sighthound ears, his nose is too long to be a Pit as well, I suspect that if this is challenged through the courts he would not be on the exempt list but only the experts can say for sure and I am not an expert.

A dog recently went through the courts, the police and expert with Pits behaviourist both agreed that the dog was not a danger and had a good temperament, the courts put a destruct order on him. This is now being fought but it does mean that the dog is still in kennels and not home. Not all dogs that have a good temperament goes home, there are a lot more factors to this.



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post 24th Apr 2017, 3:35 pm
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QUOTE(Annieskel @ 24th Apr 2017, 8:41 am) *

I have put in bold what I was referring to, I am 99.9% sure this dog is not type and this can be challenged and reversed, yes we have done it. I have let someone see the photos of him, this person has got a lot of dogs through they system and back home again and she thinks the same as me but like me, we haven't seen the dog and only going on the photos.


The assessment I was referring to has nothing to do with whether it is a type dog, or exempted or not but about increasing the chance of a hard to home dog to be rehomed. IMO getting this done for any dog being rehomed is a good idea.
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post 27th Apr 2017, 6:35 am
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This dog was very lucky, the rescue was willing to fight for him and he lives, many stray dogs are pts by the police because there is nobody to fight for them, many of these dogs are not 'type'.

This is about King and thanks to Last Hope Anima Rescue he can now go to a new home.



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What happens when a dog is found 'not type' in court?

This is King, he was seized on his way to rescue under breed specific legislation.

Last Hope Animal Rescue fought for this boy every step of the way and today, not only does this abandoned dog get to live, he gets to live without restrictions and is able to go on to finish the rest of his rescue journey.
Members of our partner group Putting Breed Specific Legislation to Sleep UK assisted the rescue with King's case - please pop over to their Facebook page to find out more about the seized dogs that they are assisting.

If your dog is ever seized under BSL it is always worth considering an independent assessment - even if the police confirm the dog to be of type. An independent assessor will be able to asses whether your dog is or isn't type and with this knowledge owners can make informed decisions.

We would like to say a massive thank you and well done to Last Hope Rescue who stood by King and fought his case, to Parry Welch Lacey LLP - Dog Law Specialists for representing him and to Dr. Kendal Shepherd, Vet and Animal Behaviourist for her assessment and, above all, to everyone that donated and sent encouragement and support!

Good luck King - let's hope he is adopted soon.

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