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post 17th Jun 2017, 2:20 am
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I haven't been involved in rescue now for few years so have no moral rights here....but is anyone taking responsibility for this Forum ??? It was in its time an amazing force in Dog Rescue xxx


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post 17th Jun 2017, 8:01 am
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It may be a good idea to edit your profile since you say you are not involved in rescue?
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post 17th Jun 2017, 8:34 am
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Short answer: no. Ray's gone AWOL, moderation is limited because Roxysmum can't get into her account so can't access full moderating abilities (working by proxy through koshka, I believe), and there's no-one else around.

It's not the place it was, sadly.
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post 17th Jun 2017, 8:45 am
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Sadly social media has overtaken most forums err.gif and many have either closed completely or slowed to a handful of contributors.The individual rescue forums are still going but finding dogs in need of homes such as used to be available here on DP is sadly no more.
Sadly no admin here - I've tried several times to contact Ray as there are some seriously dodgy links in the list of rescues on home page (one was very pornographic rolleyes.gif ).
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post 17th Jun 2017, 1:17 pm
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QUOTE(zico's mum @ 17th Jun 2017, 9:45 am) *

Sadly social media has overtaken most forums err.gif


I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. SM is faster and has a much, much wider reach so dogs are found homes faster, lost dogs get home faster etc. Apparently my local pound recently said that their stray kennels are almost empty now because people who find dogs hop straight on Facebook, and the dogs are reunited in a matter of hours so never need to be taken in.
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post 17th Jun 2017, 1:57 pm
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QUOTE(Elainew @ 17th Jun 2017, 9:01 am) *

It may be a good idea to edit your profile since you say you are not involved in rescue?


I would if I could remember how smile.gif x


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post 17th Jun 2017, 2:59 pm
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QUOTE(nikirushka @ 17th Jun 2017, 2:17 pm) *

Apparently my local pound recently said that their stray kennels are almost empty now because people who find dogs hop straight on Facebook, and the dogs are reunited in a matter of hours so never need to be taken in.


The issue of found dogs has another side though.Far too often I see on FB when a dog is found people saying don't report it to dog warden it will be put down,or if it's in poor condition "owner doesn't deserve it back" I've also seen on several occasions where a finder has handed over a dog to someone claiming to be owner only for real owner to frantically post that it's their dog and where is it now.Sadly people seem to be quite happy to hand over a dog to someone who says it's theirs.I would much rather any found dog went through the official path of dog warden - after all it's where most people will report their dog missing to.Yes there have been many reunions thanks to FB but it does also have a downside.

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post 17th Jun 2017, 3:56 pm
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QUOTE(I Love MY Cookie @ 17th Jun 2017, 2:57 pm) *

I would if I could remember how smile.gif x


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post 17th Jun 2017, 4:22 pm
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I think facebook has proved to be a fantastic resource for some rescues who use it really effectively to promote dogs needing homes - my local rescue certainly has now built up a large following of people (15,000!) who have just "liked" their site and so now get sent a write-up and photo of every new dog that comes in. I think it really helps that they keep the news feed going with all sorts of stories about the dogs - abandoned/neglected/cute/puppies stories means that more people share and like and so increase the following. Hopefully all the local facebook followers are now more aware of just how many lovely dogs end up in rescue - mostly through no fault of their own. I'm sure this may be swaying some people from buying a puppy.

However forums are so much better for long discussions etc. Personally I miss the proper RESCUE stories of which there seems to be so much less on here - stories about members bringing home a new rescue and watching them develop (loved reading about Baxter and Phoebe the staffies a while back, for example).
And stories from the front line of rescue work - the small charities. I know people working in the rescue world often have so little time so I completely understand that we may not hear from them so much.....

I sometimes feel this forum is losing its way a little. I expect I will be shot down in flames here for not being welcoming to everyone - but I can't help feeling sad and disappointed every time someone posts about getting a new puppy. (Unless its from a rescue - but if they haven't said so in the original post then its unlikely.) Why Why Why when there are so so so many unwanted lovely dogs out there? And this is a RESCUE forum for goodness sake.

Is it just me or does anyone else think the Rescue message on this forum is slowly getting diluted over the years?
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post 17th Jun 2017, 7:00 pm
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So I currently have 2 rescue dogs and one non rescue........does that mean that I shouldn't be on here anymore?
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post 18th Jun 2017, 6:50 am
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It's a debate that crops up every so often. Should people be on a rescue forum if they have dogs from breeders?

Personally I've no issue with anyone who goes to a reputable, responsible breeder if they've done their research and chosen carefully, and that breeder is breeding for a good reason. Example: I may be getting a dobermann pup in a few years from an excellent breeder, who is doing every health test possible, and who is breeding primarily for health and longevity. Her pups are very carefully placed, and returns are rare. I want to do this because after having three dobes with major health issues, and with the breed as a whole is such a dire place healthwise, I want to stack the odds in my favour of a long-lived, healthy dog of the breed I love most.

Of course the more likely outcome is that I'll get another rescue dobe when I'm ready to add, because they are always popping up on my FB feed sigh.gif
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post 18th Jun 2017, 6:57 am
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I first found Dogpages when I had my staffie, who came from a breeder. Through DP I learned about rescue, and am still involved in fund raising for staffie rescue, plus some home checking. My two current dogs are both 're-homes' (spaniel and Labrador). If I had not been welcomed by DP, I wouldn't have learned about rescue.
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post 18th Jun 2017, 10:48 am
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I have no problem at all with anybody who decides, after careful consideration, that a rescue dog is not suitable for their circumstances and decides to buy from a reputable breeder instead - but I do have a problem if that person goes to the nearest backyard breeder/puppy farmer/illegal importer and funds unscrupulous, indiscriminate and often cruel breeding by buying a puppy from them. Its probably no surprise that I then feel extremely upset when anybody who has decided to take that route posts about it on dog rescue pages.

To me (and I can't stress enough that this is my personal opinion) if you buy a puppy from anybody who isn't putting the health of their dogs first and foremost, you are adding to the problem. If you buy a puppy from your mate down the street who didn't bother to health check the parents, you are adding to the problem. If you compound that decision by stating that you "had" to buy from an unscrupulous source because of X, Y and Z... Well, lets just say that if I respected you beforehand I wouldn't afterwards.

So for me, it isn't deciding to buy a puppy instead of rescuing one that is the problem, it is where you decide to obtain that puppy that forms my opinion.

I'm totally with 'craters' on this one. This is a rescue forum, set up to promote the responsible adopting of rescue dogs, so in my opinion if it is used to gush about your newly purchased backyard/puppyfarmed puppy - you are part of the problem.

Oh, and just for the record, my first two dogs came from backyard breeders too - but that was before I knew and understood anything at all about rescue. I found out about that from Dog Rescue Pages too and have only ever adopted since then and would only ever do so in future. Now that I'm aware of the problem I couldn't live with myself if I did anything else.

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post 18th Jun 2017, 7:44 pm
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QUOTE(mokee @ 18th Jun 2017, 11:48 am) *

I have no problem at all with anybody who decides, after careful consideration, that a rescue dog is not suitable for their circumstances and decides to buy from a reputable breeder instead - but I do have a problem if that person goes to the nearest backyard breeder/puppy farmer/illegal importer and funds unscrupulous, indiscriminate and often cruel breeding by buying a puppy from them. Its probably no surprise that I then feel extremely upset when anybody who has decided to take that route posts about it on dog rescue pages.

To me (and I can't stress enough that this is my personal opinion) if you buy a puppy from anybody who isn't putting the health of their dogs first and foremost, you are adding to the problem. If you buy a puppy from your mate down the street who didn't bother to health check the parents, you are adding to the problem. If you compound that decision by stating that you "had" to buy from an unscrupulous source because of X, Y and Z... Well, lets just say that if I respected you beforehand I wouldn't afterwards.

So for me, it isn't deciding to buy a puppy instead of rescuing one that is the problem, it is where you decide to obtain that puppy that forms my opinion.

I'm totally with 'craters' on this one. This is a rescue forum, set up to promote the responsible adopting of rescue dogs, so in my opinion if it is used to gush about your newly purchased backyard/puppyfarmed puppy - you are part of the problem.

Oh, and just for the record, my first two dogs came from backyard breeders too - but that was before I knew and understood anything at all about rescue. I found out about that from Dog Rescue Pages too and have only ever adopted since then and would only ever do so in future. Now that I'm aware of the problem I couldn't live with myself if I did anything else.


Perhaps other people make the same mistakes you did, and have yet to learn about rescues and the the horrors of puppy farms and cruel breeders, and maybe you could help them understand.

Because 'I love my cookie' said she isn't involved in rescue any more, doesn't mean she's now buying puppies, and I can't see anything that suggests she no longer has a rescue dog.

I've always had rescue dogs, the first one in 1990, and now have rescue number 8. I took on my other dog three years ago. He was bought from a BY breeder (though I'm not sure if he was bred there, but they were going to use him as a stud dog), and had another two homes before he came to me, aged then about three. Was I guilty of keeping BY breeders going? I think not, but maybe you'd disagree. As far as I'm concerned, he was given to me to have a better life smile.gif

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post 19th Jun 2017, 2:27 am
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QUOTE(doggroomer @ 18th Jun 2017, 8:44 pm) *

Perhaps other people make the same mistakes you did, and have yet to learn about rescues and the the horrors of puppy farms and cruel breeders, and maybe you could help them understand.

Because 'I love my cookie' said she isn't involved in rescue any more, doesn't mean she's now buying puppies, and I can't see anything that suggests she no longer has a rescue dog.

I've always had rescue dogs, the first one in 1990, and now have rescue number 8. I took on my other dog three years ago. He was bought from a BY breeder (though I'm not sure if he was bred there, but they were going to use him as a stud dog), and had another two homes before he came to me, aged then about three. Was I guilty of keeping BY breeders going? I think not, but maybe you'd disagree. As far as I'm concerned, he was given to me to have a better life smile.gif

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Woops ..have I missed something here ? I was just explaining that I haven't been actively involved in rescue since around 2010/12 (due to caring for my elderly mum wub.gif and working full time etc etc...)

Cookie wub.gif wub.gif was a wonderful staffie that was with us from 2006 to 2016, when he sadly had to be pts at aged around 16. He was a rescue from Manchester Dogs home. We now have a great big lump of a dog called Sky wub.gif (Staffie X Bull dog ) who came to us from a rescue at Xmas time and turned 2 years old in May and won't make it to 3 years old if she doesn't stop chewing things lol.gif lol.gif

Katherine xxx

PS. My first Dog Mitzi was a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel bought from a backyard breeder before I knew any better..


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