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woofgang
post 10th Apr 2017, 4:30 pm
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QUOTE(Ragsysmum @ 10th Apr 2017, 3:23 pm) *

Easiest start would be an adult dog from a foster home with a reputable rescue group.



but thatís not a breed....I was asking about breeds.
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post 10th Apr 2017, 6:10 pm
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I'm in definite agreement that the larger guarding and livestock guardian breeds from E. Europe and Asia are not pets (at all) I know a handful of people who are genuinely prepared for what owning one of these dogs would entail would in all fairness make excellent owners, I don't believe 'a handful' makes them a viable choice and (all together now... lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif I'd much rather see them where they really belong!)

There are choices that are already 'dumbed down' in all shapes, sizes and coat types and in many ways, it's a shame we seem to want to keep reinventing the wheel here. Our own, native Mastiff is a lovely breed and a far better choice for a first time owner who wants a big, solid dog than an imported fighting or guarding breed that is still bred with that purpose at the forefront.

I's also like to see more show-type Lakeland terriers being considered by first time owners who want a terrier - rather than a Patterdale and some of the less often seen terrier breeds like Dandie Dinmont, Sealyham and Cesky are also worth considering.

I'd also recommend show-bred springers and cockers as opposed to working ones - which I would never advise a 1st-time owner to get unless he / she had been a regular beater or shooter and really knew what was entailed and was committed to putting in the work.

I do think retired greyhounds are a good choice for many people (even the Simpsons!)

So much depends on the first time owner in question though! I think my No.1 bit of advice would be not to buy a pup from an advert, but that being patient and finding a breeder or rescue that's right for them will be time well spent, no matter how frustrating it might be seeing all those cute puppy adverts rolleyes.gif

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post 10th Apr 2017, 6:15 pm
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QUOTE(maisie666 @ 10th Apr 2017, 9:54 am) *

Retired racing greyhound (with advice from the rescue kennel). Mx


A greyhound absolutely is an ideal dog for a first-time owner:

Gentle,
don't bark much,
tend to get on with other dogs,
generally prefer not to pull on the lead so very easy to train to walk-to-heel (if indeed you need to train at all!),
generally pretty calm - don't tend to get manically overexcited / jump up when people visit, or its time for a walk etc
don't demand loads of exercise,
happy to chill-out for much of the day - so tend to be easier to leave at home if you need to go out,

What's not to like?




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post 10th Apr 2017, 7:05 pm
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What exactly do you class as a first time owner? When my husband and I moved in together, we got a dobe pup BUT I'd been brought up with GSDs, labs etc and his parents had a variety of dogs over their lifetime. Our dobe was our first dog but we were both pretty dog savvy, even so we read up a lot about them, went to a few dobe club meetings to see how they behaved etc
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post 10th Apr 2017, 7:26 pm
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QUOTE(suzeanna @ 10th Apr 2017, 7:05 pm) *

What exactly do you class as a first time owner? When my husband and I moved in together, we got a dobe pup BUT I'd been brought up with GSDs, labs etc and his parents had a variety of dogs over their lifetime. Our dobe was our first dog but we were both pretty dog savvy, even so we read up a lot about them, went to a few dobe club meetings to see how they behaved etc


.....well lets say someone who has either never had a dog in their life (like DH and I) or someone who has never been responsible for the raising and/or care of a dog.....so there might have been a family dog when they were a child but they were never or hardly responsible for it.


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post 11th Apr 2017, 10:06 am
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QUOTE(Craters_on_the_lawn @ 10th Apr 2017, 7:15 pm) *

A greyhound absolutely is an ideal dog for a first-time owner:

Gentle,
don't bark much,
tend to get on with other dogs,
generally prefer not to pull on the lead so very easy to train to walk-to-heel (if indeed you need to train at all!),
generally pretty calm - don't tend to get manically overexcited / jump up when people visit, or its time for a walk etc
don't demand loads of exercise,
happy to chill-out for much of the day - so tend to be easier to leave at home if you need to go out,

What's not to like?


Sorry to set the cat among the pigeons when actually I totally agree that they make fab pets, but you did specify an ex-racing greybob, and they can also be:

unreliable/dangerous with small dogs
unreliable/dangerous with small animals
require muzzling when out
unused to living in houses
not toilet trained
very big (and often clumsy) to be around small children
have sensitive stomachs

To be honest I think you can probably find reasons for any breed of dog being wrong for first time owners if you look hard enough, but personally I would suggest that they avoid working breeds including everything from working cockers to foreign herding dogs and go for something small, cute and cuddly, like a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (just not a terrier, though... Or a Chihuahua... Or a Pekingese... Or a...).


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post 11th Apr 2017, 10:47 am
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I suppose we could distill it down to 'whichever breed the prospective owner has researched and established to be the best suited to their needs, temperament and lifestyle'.

Pipe dream maybe though lol.gif
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post 11th Apr 2017, 11:49 am
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QUOTE(nikirushka @ 11th Apr 2017, 10:47 am) *

I suppose we could distill it down to 'whichever breed the prospective owner has researched and established to be the best suited to their needs, temperament and lifestyle'.

Pipe dream maybe though lol.gif


Intersting you should say this......because what started this thread....was thinking how often when talking about dogs for new owners, dog people will say.....oh but of course MY breed isnít suitable for beginners....as though all beginners are the same!
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post 11th Apr 2017, 1:57 pm
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QUOTE(woofgang @ 11th Apr 2017, 12:49 pm) *

Intersting you should say this......because what started this thread....was thinking how often when talking about dogs for new owners, dog people will say.....oh but of course MY breed isnít suitable for beginners....as though all beginners are the same!



There are also people who have been in a breed for decades and enjoyed considerable success in the show ring and held positions on breed committees etc., but actually have very little idea about what makes 'their' breed tick.

I've come across people who say things like, "this isn't a breed that can be let off the lead / left alone more than 10 minutes / can't be trusted with other dogs ...." when what they actually mean is that they[i] have never managed it with their dogs because their priority lies elsewhere and it's easier to say 'it's the breed' than to put the time and effort into basic training.
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yes this too I am sure.
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post 11th Apr 2017, 3:19 pm
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QUOTE(woofgang @ 10th Apr 2017, 5:30 pm) *

but thatís not a breed....I was asking about breeds.

OK, sorry. Then from experience of many foster and adopted dogs over the years, I reckon a mature, fostered greyhound is the easiest.
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post 29th Apr 2017, 6:36 pm
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I had a Golden Lab as my first and she was the best. Just so gentle and sweet, it's hard to beat.
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post 29th Apr 2017, 7:01 pm
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I agree a labrador can be a perfect first time dog owner if it's from a good breeder I've had labs for 30 years and was lucky to find a good breeder all my labs have had wonderful temperaments and easy to train they are show line not working line.I was in rescue for 8 years and rehome some lovely dogs but also met some iffy tempered labs
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QUOTE(Louwra @ 10th Apr 2017, 2:16 pm) *

I dont think you can state categorically ''this'' breed is a great one for starting of. I really depends on the owners, how dedicated, how much time can they invest, are they prepared to learn, to trian etc

My very first dog was a German Shepherd. But then I grew up with GSD and Bouviers, worked with dogs, I worked in rescues, I qualified as a vet nurse, so had a reasonable idea of what to expect.

For a person/familiy who never had a dog before, I feel a GSD wouldnt be the right dog, even if it was the best of the breed smile.gif

Too many factors play a role

Difficult!


yay.gif Perhaps barring the last line apart I thought this was a good post (some - though I accept not all - may cope with a Gsd, amongst the most trainable of breeds!) Personally I think you ought to treat each dog and potential adopter on their own merits not start with any absolute preconceptions. Everyone has to gain experience somewhere & if rescues impose their own blanket opinions before the application has even been properly considered rather than at least talk through the pros & cons then all that you are likely to do is alienate & direct that person to the free ads or a breeder who wont instead.


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QUOTE(Kanie @ 11th Apr 2017, 2:57 pm) *

There are also people who have been in a breed for decades and enjoyed considerable success in the show ring and held positions on breed committees etc., but actually have very little idea about what makes 'their' breed tick.

I've come across people who say things like, "this isn't a breed that can be let off the lead / left alone more than 10 minutes / can't be trusted with other dogs ...." when what they actually mean is that they[i] have never managed it with their dogs because their priority lies elsewhere and it's easier to say 'it's the breed' than to put the time and effort into basic training.


I hate hearing people told that any dog can never be let off lead - it isn't a natural, happy or desirable state in my opinion for any dog to spend their entire lives on a lead. I believe any dog can be trained to recall if you are willing to put sufficient effort in.

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post 1st May 2017, 2:33 pm
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QUOTE(Ianr @ 1st May 2017, 2:13 pm) *

yay.gif Perhaps barring the last line apart I thought this was a good post (some - though I accept not all - may cope with a Gsd, amongst the most trainable of breeds!) Personally I think you ought to treat each dog and potential adopter on their own merits not start with any absolute preconceptions. Everyone has to gain experience somewhere & if rescues impose their own blanket opinions before the application has even been properly considered rather than at least talk through the pros & cons then all that you are likely to do is alienate & direct that person to the free ads or a breeder who wont instead.
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I hate hearing people told that any dog can never be let off lead - it isn't a natural, happy or desirable state in my opinion for any dog to spend their entire lives on a lead. I believe any dog can be trained to recall if you are willing to put sufficient effort in.


Canít remember which very knowledgeable trainer said it but its true ďYou can teach ANY dog ANYTHING but maybe not within the lifetime of that dogĒ lol.gif
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