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post 8th Feb 2018, 10:05 pm
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WE homed Millie privately 2.5 months ago and all that time she has had some signs of a false pregnancy. She was a bit portly when we took her but she slimmed down with more exercise and lean foods -her owner had been unable to walk her of late so we thought it was just weight. She is now a slim 6.4 kg and her ribs are very palpable and she's a fit active girl except she has brown discharge from her nipples. The vet we went to first said phantom pregnancy and we could not get her spayed as planned because of her swollen organs. We have been in every 2 weeks since but the situation has not changed so she cant have her op. The previous owner is very clear that they could never tell when she was in season but as her toys were covered in this brown liquid when we took her i think she had had the false pregnancy symptoms a good few days if not weeks before we homed her. I understand this can happen after a season but how long for? We are going into 3rd month now and still she is discharging when the vet squeezes nipples. The second vet confirmed this. Now Millie is not obviously unwell in any way and very full of energy, glossy coat and normal eating drinking and obs. Can this condition goo on continuously and if so how can we ever get her spayed??
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post 8th Feb 2018, 11:13 pm
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Your vet can give you something to dry up the liquid. If a bitch is spayed while having a phantom pregnancy there is a slight danger she will never dry up.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 7:58 am
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When we adopted Meg from the Blue Cross, she went off to the vet to be spayed but was having a phantom pregnancy when she got there. The vet gave her some medication and it did take a couple more weeks and checkup visits to the vet, but she was spayed before she came home to us. We did quite a few more miles travelling to visit her in the meantime but it all worked out in the end!
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post 9th Feb 2018, 11:42 am
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Can I ask what the vet has said about how to deal with this? Have you asked him/her how long you should wait or if there is anything that you can do to hasten things along?
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post 9th Feb 2018, 1:17 pm
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A bit more about this..The first vet in the practice said there were tablets she could have to dry it up, but he is away and the other vet in same practice seemed flustered and embarrassed when i asked about the tablets. All the second guy said was to cut her food down and give her lots of exercise so her organs dont get all the nourishment. Whist she eats good food she isnt greedy and I was underfeeding her slightly as she was portly when we homed her. She is now an almost skinny 6.4 kg and for a standard 5 year Yorkie that sounds good to me. I dont accept that starving her is the answer and she gets three good walks a day and I run with her. I am cautious about letting her off for a few reasons atm but she is sociable and has a sniff with any friendly dog she meets. It has felt as if both vets dont want to do the op themselves -perhaps i am misreading it all but 2 weeks ago the first vet said the discharge had stopped and booked an op for her then at the pre check this week with other vet he said it hadnt stopped and sent us away for another 2 weeks. It could be it stops and starts with frequency but that's why i am trying to find out what happens if the discharge doesnt stop.? Gloriously healthy girl here, a little hormonal with the men, slightly ratty with females but otherwise everybody's friend. She runs me ragged! I would love to show you but i havent worked out how to put a photo on here.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 2:02 pm
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Have you thought of going to another practice for a completely unbiased opinion. smile.gif
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post 9th Feb 2018, 2:26 pm
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Pennine-I must say it is beginning to seem an option to find another vet but i would do so reluctantly as the one i am using is one who has known us 3 years through the loss of our last dog and i can easily walk there . Others are sort of out of town and there are no footpaths. This vet is not charging for the prechecks and was the vet for the previous owner and ahs the notes from the original vet at the other practice online (the one out of town).
It isnt so much i dont trust these vets so much as thinking i am being a bit thick and not asking the right questions. The comment on here that she may keep discharging if she is spayed while ahving the phantom condition makes some sense and i am thankful for that as i now dont think i am being fobbed off. Maybe they are just too busy with one of the vets on holiday? The only thing i am a bit at odds with is starving the dog to make her hormonally neutral..seems cruel to me as she isnt overfed to start with and is quite slim? I would be happy to buy her the tablets but they are not on offer right now.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 3:13 pm
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Never heard of starving a dog for this problem before.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 3:58 pm
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Starving the dog to dry it up is a v old fashioned idea and has no medical proof.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 6:18 pm
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I am most definitely NOT going to starve my dog - if it was to be an acceptable method it would need to have better guidelines -i mean he has no idea how much she is being fed atm so how can he say give her less and how much is less..it's bananas! I had wondered from the start why the rather nice caring owners had not had her spayed before 5 years. I asked the 2nd vet if the reason could be many years of this condition preventing a spay op. The guy just said he didnt know! I didnt find that very helpful or assuring.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 6:35 pm
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Starving sounds very odd indeed and from what Elaine says, your vet might just be a bit out of date. Maybe ask locally for recommendations of another vet?

Out of interest Meg's behaviourist said that Meg had probably been having phantom pregnancies between each season (she was 8 when spayed) so that's a whole lifetime of hormones being all over the place.
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post 9th Feb 2018, 9:26 pm
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Its not unreasonable to ask your vet for a second opinion or to be referred to a specialist. It doesn't mean that you have to change vets, just that the vets you use need some help with her case.
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post 10th Feb 2018, 6:04 pm
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If it's actually a phantom she can have galastop to dry up milk. Have pmed you

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post 10th Feb 2018, 7:09 pm
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Thank you i have pmed you Ceri- the brown stuff they say isnt milk.
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